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Computer upgrade questions

Postby Steven Kephart » Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:28 pm

Ok, as some of you guys know, I am a newbie when it comes to computers. So I wanted to run my choices past the experts here. Here is my computer thus far:

Athlon XP 2000+ processor
1 gig PC 2700 Ram
1 80 gig HD
1 30 gig HD
Geforce FX 5600 video card with 256 megs onboard ram

Here is what I have selected so far for the upgrade:


Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813131524

I am concerned whether my PC 2700 Ram will work on this board. I know it will slow some of the clock speeds down, but as long as it will run without major issues, I would be happy with it. I don't want to spend money on RAM now if I don't have to. One other thing I liked about this board is the optical audio output. I plan on connecting my computer permanently to my HT system in the future, and this will be required to pull it off. I also wanted the SATA II connections for a faster hard drive interface. But if you guys disagree with any of that, please let me know.


Processor: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16819103535

This one looked good to me. If you guys have any other suggestions that would be faster, but not costing too much more I will listen.



Video Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130271

This one looks good. Do you guys have any other suggestions?


Power Supply: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16817103927

I will follow Josh's advice and go Anatec. Do you think I will have problems with a 380 watt supply?


DVD burner: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16827151092

This one looks pretty good. I already have a 52X CD-R 16X DVD Rom drive. I figure now is a good time to finally purchase a DVD recorder since they are so cheap. It will also allow me to free up some space on my hard drives until I purchase a larger capacity one (it bacame out of my budget after all this stuff was added up). Also, what does the "DVD+R" and "DVD-R" mean?
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Postby wagz » Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:11 pm

your selection is compatable and will work...but you will have several bottlenecks in the system that you will most likley want to change later on if your a gamer or do other intense work on the computer... as the ddr is concerned your old ddr ram will work but it will make your system considerabally slower when doing large or complicated tasks (when i built my computer last summer i started with a gig of 2700 and later i dumped that for 2gigs of 3200 dual channel ddr and i cant emphasize enough how huge the difference was) , also you may want a bigger power supply. with that you have right now i dont think it will be a problem but if you decided to add harddrives or something like that in the future you will want more power

also why are you getting an sli motherboard? the entire point of the sli mobo is to have 2 graphics cards

and if you do get an sli motherboard make sure that the graphics cards you decide to get are sli compatable and that both graphics 16x slots actually run at 16x when 2 cards are present, i know this sounds like a given but many of the sli boards on the cheap end actually run each 16x slot at 8x when 2 G-cards are being used. personally with the setup you have i think you should find yourself non-sli motherboard and save yourself like $60

also with what you said about the sata 2...dont worry so much about the interface because thats not where the bottlenecks are, the problem begins with how fast your hard drive can read and write information. if you get a sata 10,000rpm hard drive (ex : Raptor) your read and write times will be cut in half from a sata 7200rpm hard drive and it still wont be maxing out the sata interface...this also creates a very noticable difference in speed of your computer, personally i have a 74gig sata raptor that i run windows and games off of and a 300gig sata that i use as storage for music and movies and such, the improvement from switching to this setup is clearly noticable with the games
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Postby Steven Kephart » Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:27 pm

Thanks for the input. So what do you think about this board instead?: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131530

And I do plan on upgrading the RAM in the future. It's just that right now I'm trying to upgrade as little as possible to keep the cost down. Unfortunately when you decide to upgrade the processor, you have to upgrade quite a few things along with it.
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Postby wagz » Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:35 pm

yea upgrading tends to be the same as building an entire new computer haha, but yea that motherboard look just fine
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Postby Steven Kephart » Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:48 pm

Awesome, Thanks!

I think I will go with this Thermaltake power supply as well: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817153026
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Postby wagz » Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:59 pm

thermaltake is a great brand and it was mentiond how quiet the power supply is, which is always a plus, sounds perfect for your setup
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Postby syrce » Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:07 am

Your choice in motherboard is a good one my brother-in-law just ordered that exact same model. However unless you know for sure you're going to upgrade to sli in the very near future I agree with Wagz that you could save some money on the mobo.

This one might be a good choice. It has everything you need and the nforce 4 chipset which is very nice.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131569

Retails for about $77 Instead of your mobo choice $115

Now spend the extra that you've saved on a better processor. Like this one i'm going to buy in a couple weeks.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103622

Be sure to get the cfbox not the bnbox the cfbox version requires less power and runs a little cooler.

Retails for about $214 instead of your cpu choice $158

Basically for the difference you get about 15-20 fps increase in most games. The san diego cpu has 1mb cache and is 2.2ghz i've heard it overclocks nicely but i never bother overclocking. to risky. Up to you of course either processor is a good choice.

for help check out this site for benchmarks, you can do cpu2cpu compairisons, its very handy.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html

Also wagz had a good point about the memory speed. I believe the ram upgrade is a must, you will be very fustraited with the ddr 2700, that will botleneck everything

this would be a pretty good deal, 2x 512 mb kingston ddr3200 cas latency 2 memory

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820144112

would be $74 after rebates, I recently purchased this same item for about $95 obviously right before they went on sale :(

You can also get some corsair ddr3200 cas latency 3 for about $70 with no rebates to worry about. but again you'd take a performance hit with the slower cas latency memory.

Wagz is also correct about the increased performance with the raptor 10,000 rpm drives but your gonna fork over about $130 after rebates on newegg for a 74 gig drive. You would obviously see a big difference in load times. I personally care more about in game frame rates then how long it takes to load. However if I had the money after my cpu, mem and mobo upgrade, I would get a raptor in a heartbeat. Its just hard to do that when a 300 gig drive only costs about $120

I think your video card choice is a good one and a smart choice for the $$ vs performance

Antec makes excelent power supplys and the power rating is much better than cheaper brands the 380 watt meets the minimum requirements for what you have and should work but i would feel much safer recomending the 500 watt version

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817103937

Its only about $10 more but gives you some extra watts and it does say sli supported if you plan on still getting that sli board.

The dvd burner looks fine.

the dvd +r and -r are just competing formats, what that means to you is simply make sure your burner will do both then you don't have to worry about those lame companys that can't agree on a format. check this link for more info

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-R

well i think that covers it all if you have any ?'s feel free to ask

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Postby syrce » Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:15 am

slight correctly that mobo that i was looking at only had the sata 1 and not the sata 2 so you might want too keep the one you were looking at earlier in the conversation

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